Subject: RockBox firmware have MOD and SID support (+ ogg and flac)

From: Guest
Date: Sat Jan 5 07:07:32 2008

To: UADE-User-discussion
Perhaps the RockBox firmware would be of interest for the UADE users?

[url]http://www.rockbox.org/[/url]

[url]http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox[/url]

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From: alankila
Date: Wed Jan 16 23:49:25 2008

To: UADE-User-discussion
I'm a bit doubtful why it would be of interest to us.

SID, FLAC and Vorbis playback are out of scope of UADE, which is amiga mod playback format.

Besides, their mod player is probably based on either mikmod or modplug, neither which is very accurate Amiga mod player.

Sell this to us. Why would we be interested?

Or maybe I read it all wrong. Maybe you meant to say that UADE should be integrated into Rockbox. Perhaps, if the CPU is fast enough to run the required emulation and sound synthesis...

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From: Guest
Date: Fri Jan 18 17:21:55 2008

To: UADE-User-discussion
[quote:2417e7cb2a="alankila"]Besides, their mod player is probably based on either mikmod or modplug, neither which is very accurate Amiga mod player.[/quote:2417e7cb2a]
Better than UADE's mod player?

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From: alankila
Date: Sat Jan 19 12:16:03 2008

To: UADE-User-discussion
&quot;Better&quot; is subjective. More authentic perhaps. It is after all running some variant of emulated code, and it has several replayer variants that are chosen based on guess of which program was used to compose the mod.

Additionally, UADE supports some amiga hardware features better (sound distortion on too high playback rates, for instance) and has nearly exact emulation of genuine Amiga sound, unlike both mikmod and modplug.

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From: alankila
Date: Sat Jan 19 12:21:12 2008

To: UADE-User-discussion
Sorry. I actually misread what you tried to say.

How is mikmod and modplug player better than UADE's player?

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From: Truck
Date: Mon Jun 30 16:44:18 2008

To: UADE-User-discussion
Would rule.

Period.

Basically, what you have here is a replacement firmware that runs on various mp3/audio players.  There is an attempt to make it run on multiples, and it runs on, for example, my sansa player.  It would also run on my ipod mini.

Now, currently, on my ipod mini, I have various things I've piped from uade to lame and into a file, and thus, they're on the ipod.  This is, um, well it's ok.  I'd rather have the non-lossy version, because the original tunes were not made to be played via a lossy playback.

Anyway, sid is already there, and isn't that good.  I'm not looking for sid replay.  I _am_ looking for mod playback, 15/16 instrument mods, protracker, startrekker, FRED editor, etc.  That would be where UADE would come in.

Now, as for whether it would work or not; they use a plugin system, so basically you would have to implement the player within that plugin system.  This might seem a bit daunting, but probably is less complex than porting to Windows.

They also have a vmware image with a emulator for playback, and various compilation tools to help.  (I loaded it once, noted it was an old Debian image, noted a lot of things that should have been there were not, and that it was a bitch to upgrade. I would bitch about that to them but I think it would be easier, and within my area of expertise, to just make a better one for them.)

Anyway. I'd really like to have uade on my portable player. Period. Rockbox _is_ the way to go in that regard.

As for the mod player already there, it is NOT in the 'stable' distribution package (nightly stuff) - you have to compile it, and it is currently based on DUMB (I think.)  I have looked and it was NOT based on mikmod (thank GOD.)

But it is set up to handle things like xm, it, s3m, etc - you know, the non-Amiga formats first.  UADE would, of course, supplant this and might cause confusion for some folks as far as mods are concerned, but the easy solution for this is to have the PC people name the mods in their stupid 8.3 way, and we'll use Amiga naming conventions (:

(Ok yeah I'd have to rename a lot of my mod files too, but. it would be worth it to have them playing back via uade, not mp3.)

Ok I could use FLAC, it plays back flac.  This is the whole &quot;I would like to carry my stuff around in a small package, and not have to swap out microsd cards every few days to hear a different package of mods... I want to hear mods, as the small files they are, played back accurately.&quot;

And thus, why uade on rockbox would rule.

also, if you're at Assembly or Boozembly (either the real one or the shadow party of assembly) and want to see my rockbox player, lemme know, all it does is play music but you can see the plugins and so on.